Another no-holds barred discussion forum, where you prove that you're the most deadly Atonement ninja in the class.
Atonement is, at core, a novel about trying to fix something that’s irretrievably broken. By the time you finish the book, you realize that the whole story is, if not an outright lie, then a very heavily edited piece of Historical Metafiction, in which Briony tries desperately to re-write her life, and those of the people she’s hurt so terribly.

Your blogging mission is to consider the whole novel, but especially the last two sections (“Part Three” and “London 1999") and prove that, ultimately, Briony isn’t a despicable person. In the words of my learned colleague Cox: “Find something about her to like.” And then prove it.

As with the Hamlet blog, make your stand on the issue in an argument of about 500 words, cite textual references, and then make a detailed comment on at least one classmate’s posting, agreeing, disagreeing, or taking the discussion in a different direction. Making references to life, movies, other things you’ve read, etc. are fair game, as long as they’re relevant. (Again, comment right in your blog entry, don't worry about using the comment links beneath your classmates' entries.)

Finally, be sure to clearly place your NAME in the title of your Posting!

Thursday 15 May 2014

Redefining Briony (Or Briony redefining herself)

By: Stefan Soto
Briony is written so inconsistently in comparison between part one and part three that you really need to ask yourself if they really are the same person at all? Briony in part one is selfish, naive, sucked into white and black thinking, and judgemental. Briony in part three is genuinely concerned with other people, remorseful, and caring. If she's changed so much that she's only a shadow of what she used to be, can she really be considered the same person and therefore accountable for her actions in part one? Her actions in part three show her kindness, so after forgiving part one, she is at least a respectable person.
After the court case is through there is a great quote "How guilt refined the methods of self-torture, threading the beads of detail into an eternal loop, a rosary to be fingered for a lifetime" (McEwan 162) which pretty much tells it as it is. Briony fucked up bad. She knows she fucked up and these "methods of self torture" is what causes her transformation. By the time that she is working as a nurse four years later she now cares about people beyond helping herself. The French boy asks her "'Do you love me?' She hesitated. 'Yes.' No other reply was possible. Besides, for that moment, she did" because he's about to die and she loves him because he's far from home and lonely and suffering just like she is. She's not the same person anymore and this transformation and repentance has absolved her of what she did and makes her into the good person she becomes.
Similarly, if a man gets out of prison for a serious crime but takes action to turn his life around for the better than he is in my eyes no longer truly guilty of that crime. What he did has still been done but his debt has been paid and he now deserves a chance to return to society. Briony has paid her debt in remorse as well as the dedication of her entire life to her atonement and for that I feel that she is a redeemed as well as respectable character.
In response to Roman's post, I don't think that Briony is at all a sociopath. Doing something wrong is not sociopathic, being okay with doing something wrong is. And Briony is very not okay with what she did. I'm somewhat confused how Briony feeling victimized and being able to manipulate people makes you like her, but sure if you value that I guess that's cool. Personally I wouldn't pick my friends around that but too each his own I suppose. That being said I agree with your last point about Briony's nihilism at the end how she's realized that her atonement doesn't actually matter that's a good point.

Brett Glass

Stupid Younger Sisters


Briony is the pesky younger sister that everyone, even people without sisters, despises. However, as they do in real life, family members do get over their hate and learn to appreciate their sibling’s point of view. They even learn to ,I dare say, love them.  This is pretty much how my relationship with Briony evolved, it started out as mere dislike; similar to meeting a younger sibling for the first time. Then morphed into full blown hate; like the first time you notice that they get more attention than you. I do realize that most siblings don’t send people to jail over something that they didn’t do.  I believe though, that I wouldn’t be wrong in saying that when they do something that hurts you, it feels like Robbie felt when he was sent to jail.  By the time I followed Robbie through the war my rage at her betrayal had simmered back down to a strong dislike. Much like the truce that eventually comes after a big fight. Furthering this drawn out analogy, there is always two sides of the story and Briony doesn’t deserve all the blame. Cee was stupid enough to basically strip infront of Robbie, outside, which in that day and age just isn’t done. To add to the stupidity Robbie types up that letter by which even by today’s standards is very crude. It’s just easy to hate Briony because in the end Robbie’s the one that gets sent to jail.
Finally we get to go back into the demon’s head herself, in part 3, and we experience what it’s like to be Briony post rape. Frankly my opinion of her did a complete 180, just like how a brother comes to love his sibling after realizing, it’s not their fault that they were born after you. It wasn’t Briony’s fault that she was foolish enough to think she understood what was going on. Everyone she had ever met had blown smoke up her bum telling her that she her plays were “stupendous” (McEwan 4) and in turn making her believe that she knew more than she actually did. Her superiority is apparent in the way McEwan writes her parts, “A universe reduced to what was said in it was tidiness indeed, almost to the point of nullity, and to compensate, every utterance was delivered at the extremity of some feeling or other.”(McEwan 7). Just the way she talks about writing kind of makes you want to slap her. The question then, is this a result of her personality or her victorian upbringing. Considering the fact that she spends the rest of her life trying to make up for the fact that she betrayed her sister’s and Robbie’s trust, I have to say the victorian childhood is at blame.
Moreover, this doesn’t give us a reason to like her yet. When Briony is working as a nurse and we get to live through the horror of what she witnesses, I was sympathetic but she still hadn’t earned my friendship yet. What she did next did. She actually found a way to earn forgiveness when no one was left alive to forgive her. She, in her own way, made a temple to the love story that was Robbie and Cee’s life. If you compare this to other acts of love that have transcended generations, the Taj Mahal with famous love story that still brings people to look at it. Briony's temple takes form as a book but her words still earn the same reverence as you would by gazing at the Taj Mahal. The fact that she didn’t give up on trying to earn her forgiveness is what made her into someone I liked. How many of us can say that we would continue to pursue forgiveness when there is no one left to forgive you. I guess to sum it up I like her because I admire her determination.


Comment on Rayne’s:
While I do agree with most of what you said, going as far as to say that Briony was selfless in the end seems wrong to me. Probably because she went through this whole ordeal of earning forgiveness for herself… If the forgiveness is for herself than she can’t really be selfless can she? I do however agree that she is, by the end of the book, a woman to be admired and respected, mainly because she had the determination to see her forgiveness through to the end no matter what the cost.  In the end, the cost was not being able to see her masterpiece get published which I think ends the book perfectly.

By Brett Glass

Fuck Briony... Or Nahhh? by Hannah Vinagre

The entire story of Atonement gives us the impression that Briony is an overall selfish character that is only preoccupied with her own well being. From the beginning of the story, we see Briony making herself the center of attention. As the story unfolds, so does Briony, and we slowly discover new sides to personality we didn't think existed. She becomes empathetic, caring, and considerate as she gets older and the reader is able to see Briony's intentions first hand.

Although Briony carries the blame for Robbie's prison sentence, she is certainly not at an age where she would be capable of making rational decisions in other peoples favor. Her immaturity and ego give her the confidence to determine the fate of another human being. As time goes on, Briony finds herself regretting her past decisions and wishes she could take it back, she realizes her mistakes once she sees her family slowly falling apart of her one mistake. When we reach "London 1999", we learn that the book was really a story written by the elderly Briony, to explain her life and the lives of others she destroyed. She is empathetic through Part 2 & 3 because we see Briony reflecting on her past, even though she was an adult at this point in time, we see that she has spent all those years reflecting of the pain she has knowingly placed onto others, and doing all she could to make things right again.

Once we learn that Briony actually wrote this story and sent it in to be published, we create a new perspective on why she might have done what she did. Briony writes about herself enrolling into the war and served as a nurse for several years while Cee and Robbie were also serving in the war. Briony changes drastically from the time she was a teenager to the lady she becomes while she's helping in the war. It seems as though she truly cares for others and doing the right thing, especially once she realized how big of an impact she made on her family with her poor decision making. She develops this caring personality, where she lives life doing her best to serve those in need. All shes known in life is destruction and hate, she begins to love bringing joy and hope to those who truly have none. This can be seen as a way Briony has learned to cope with the guilt she holds from her past.

At the end of the book we can put all the pieces of the puzzle together and decipher Briony's intentions while writing this story. We realize she had to live her entire life carrying an extremely large amount of guilt on her shoulders, which takes her decades to come to terms with. Her family never forgave her before they died, and worse, despite all her efforts to bring Cee and Robbie back together once again, she failed. She was left with no one to trust and no one to confide in, but still found a way to share her story and express her sorrow and regret that she had in her heart all those years. At her old age, she is very considerate of the lives she has ruined and the feelings she has hurt with her actions. She created this life story for her to publicly display how sorry she is and how she would do anything in order to reverse the damage she has done.

Briony has accepted her mistakes and knows there is no receiving forgiveness from her loved ones, only forgiveness from herself. She says, "There is no one, no entity or higher form that she can appeal to, or be reconciled with, or that can forgive her" (McEwan, 350). Us as the reader understand that for fifty-nine years, Briony has done everything in her power to make things right, but unfortunately just couldn't do it. By the end of the story, Briony does not desire the forgiveness of those she did wrong, but mostly from herself, that way she can move on with life in peace knowing that what's done is done.


Comment:
I personally enjoyed Heather's blog the most because of her basic interpretation of Briony's actions. I agree that Briony made a foolish mistake as a child but still did what she could to cope with it. Everyone has a way of getting over things, and clearly for Briony, she desired the forgiveness of Cee and Robbie all those years but then realized she must forgive herself in order to live on with a clean conscience. I took Heather's opinion on Briony as 'everyone makes mistakes and lives with guilt for their wrong doings, but despite your rough character, we all deal with emotions equally and we all cope with them in our own ways'.

Wednesday 14 May 2014

Blinded By Hate by Jadelyn Backshall

Blinded By Hate

As we all made our way through reading Atonement, we were able to have class discussions that gave us all the opportunity to vocalize our hate for the one and only Briony. The real question is, were we all too quick to jump the gun? As we read on through part 3 and the London, 1999 section, Briony reveals a new, more mature side of herself that we didn't get to see as a reader through her child hood days.

The one thing that I have started to love about Briony that many of us didn't get to see is the fact that she truly cares about her family, and even the people around her that are wounded from war, or the new friendships she has made. Briony is a truly caring person.

Yes, I understand many of you are probably questioning where I'm getting this idea from, especially the whole caring for the family thing, but just take a look a little deeper into why she does the things she does.
When Briony accuses Robbie of raping her sister Cee, it was because she truly believed that was what had happened. We all need to take into consideration the immature age she was at, and how jumping to these sorts of conclusions would be easy to come by. "Did you think it then? She fumbled her words. "Yes, yes and no. I wasn't certain." "And what makes you so certain now?" ..." Growing up.". (McEwan, 323) Just like any young child, they always want to be right, and they always want to impress their elders, but I feel that Briony was doing it also to save her sister. Briony and Cee were extremely close, as stated in the novel Cee acted as a motherly figure for Briony. When Briony saw what was happening in the library and read the letter it came across as more violent then it should have and Briony just didn't want Cee getting hurt.

Moving forward into part 3, we get to see Briony dealing with war times and the consequences of war through men and their injuries. Briony became a nurse at the hospital where she took care of many wounded patients day in and day out. This experience was definately a life changing and eye opening experience for Briony. The moment you realize Briony truly cares about her patients is the part where Sister Drummond tells Briony to go speak to Luc. This young fellow had lost half his head including parts of his brain, meaning he was not going to last much longer. Briony sat with Luc holding his hands and agreeing with everything he had been saying and asking, this wasn't for her happiness but for Luc's happiness. She cared about the young man enough to make him happy. "Do you love me?"..."Yes" No other reply was possible. Besides, for that moment, she did. He was a lovely boy..." (McEwan, 292)

Lastly, Briony cares extremely about her family as stated in the first point. She wants nothing more then the forgiveness of both Cee and Robbie for the things she has done in the past. Briony waits five years until she finally goes out and searches for Cee (presumably because she thinks Robbie is dead) and Cee wants nothing to do with it. Briony finally gets to say a word, and Robbie comes storming in, and in this moment i don't think Briony knows what to think, i think she just knows she's happy that her sister is able to be with Robbie and live a loving life together. Although both characters are extremely mad at Briony, she still sticks around until given orders. When given the orders that she thinks will give forgiveness she sets out on her journey and proceeds to start them. "Just do all the things we've asked." (McEwan, 329). The one quest was for Briony to write a long letter for Robbie, since both Robbie and Cee pass away, Briony writes this novel in hope for forgiveness, and less weight on her old self.

Overall, Briony once was a little naive, immature girl who came across as self-centred, but in the end she grew into this amazing author who didn't care about just herself but all the people who influences her life, and thoughts everyday.



Comment:

I'd like to reflect on Hayley Liskos post. I one hundred percent agree with her statement. Hayley kind of jumps off my ideas as well. Guilt and helping Robbie and Cee to no longer hate her is all that she is looking for, which is exactly my ideas from a different point of view. Briony just wants Robbie and Cee to live together in happiness without her mistake of accusing Robbie of such absurd behavior ruining their lives together. If Briony ever received forgiveness she would no longer have the guilt she is feeling as an older women for the mistakes she made as a young lady. In the end of the story we all know that when she finally finishes creating her novel to Robbie and Cee, that she is content in knowing that she has done what she had to do, she is finally guilt free and can die in peace.

How dumb were we when we were 13? Rebecca

Briony: Another Stupid Teenager 
Rebecca Albers
Throughout the entire novel, I had troubles deciding whether I sympathized with Briony, or wanted to repeatedly slap her in the face for being so naive and selfish. By the time I was finished, I truly felt bad for Briony and the mistakes she made as a foolish kid. After all, how stupid and naive were we at 13?

From 1935 until we begin to near the end of Briony’s life in 1999, it is clear she is simply a product of her upbringing. As she grows up and matures, she begins to realize how foolish she was as a child. Although one’s upbringing is not always the best defence, or even a defence at all, Briony is not entirely responsible for the one mistake that ends up haunting her for the 64 years following the horrible accusation made against Robbie. However, if Briony had not been a privileged spoiled brat, she would have no need spending her entire life searching for forgiveness. 

In Part 1 of the novel, Briony is simply a product of the Victorian values of her parents. As a 13 year old girl, her primary influence would be a family. In Victorian times, sex was extremely taboo, and never talked about. Her mother does everything she can to hide the affair going  How can the blame be placed entirely on Briony, when she was only a child not fully capable of developing her own thoughts and ideas? Everyone else around her did not question anything that Briony said, they just took her words to be the truth. She was a storyteller after all. Telling and writing stories is what she spent her free time doing. Later on, Briony admits that she was unsure that it was even Robbie that she saw with Lola that night. She states that she simply “Saw a man his height”(McEwan 327). She had no clear evidence to send another to prison for 4 years, yet that is just what she did. Nowadays, the shaky testimony of a 13 year old girl would never stand up in court without any other credible evidence another evidence. Briony ended up taking fully responsibility for the outcome, when she wasn't the only one who played had a role in sending Robbie to jail. 

As the story progresses through time, we begin to see Briony struggle with her actions. Near the beginning of Part 3, she slowly begins to realize that what she did, and that there is little chance of ever coming back from what she did. 
After the war is over, and Robbie and Cee are (possibly?) dead, Cee slowly begins to realize that the only person who still needs forgiveness is herself. The two people she hurt the most are dead. Briony spends the majority of her life trying to give Cee and Robbie the life and love that she mistakenly took away from them. She spends her entire life trying to come to terms with her actions. 

As we later discover, the novel is Briony writing Parts 1 through 3 and trying to come to terms with her death. She realizes what a mistake she made. Since she realizes this, I believe Briony wrote herself as such a miserable, bratty kid to try and convey how sorry she is and what a big mistake she made. In the letter she receives after sending in her first draft, it is clear that much of the detail (if it even existed in the first place) was not included. CC gives her suggestions that later end up in the final draft. While Briony is coming to terms with what she does, she fails to include the truth in her story. She makes sure that she looks like this perfect little angel who could do no wrong. However, as time passes, Briony realizes that what she did was wrong. So we end up with the final story. Briony is perceived as this good for nothing brat, while the readers feel bad for Cee and Robbie’s destroyed love affair.

Briony was simply the product of her time. She couldn’t help her upbringing. When she finally realized she played a part in sending an innocent man to jail, she spends her entire life searching for her atonement. 
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Heather raised an interesting point on Briony writing her character so she can live on forever after Paul Marshall, Lola and herself die off. She says that this is a way of punishing herself forever. If this is the case, I don’t know if Briony would be doing it just to punish herself. Even as Briony begins to see what she did was wrong, a part of the old Briony still remains. When the play is finally being performed, she says “I still feel myself to be exactly the same person I’ve always been”(McEwan 336). It can be seen both ways, she may want to punish herself, or she may be doing it to ensure the spotlight is always on her. The outlet and mission for Briony publishing her book, all depends on whether or not you view Briony as a villain or not. 

Briony isn't a true bitch after all

Many people see Briony as a very selfish and evil character in the novel Atonement. But if you look deeper into her character and look at the big picture, you can see who she actually is. I believe Briony is a good person with a rough past. She has done wrong, but didn't fully understand the situation and spends the rest of her miserable life reminiscing and trying to fix her guilt.

The number one reason that I believe Briony isn’t deep down a horrible person is because in part one she is to young to understand what is truly going on. In this first one she is merely an immature child that does not get what she is actually doing. She is a child in an adult situation, and makes a bad decision. When she catches Cee and Robbie having sex, and then later witnesses the rape, she assumes what any young child would of assumed, the worst. “That man’s a maniac. A maniac. The word had refinement, and the weight of medical diagnosis” (McEwan 112). In her mind, she is trying to protect her sister and she thinks lying to the cops and stretching the story is going to help. She doesn’t realize that it will only drastically make things worse for her and Cee’s, Cee’s and Robbies, and Robbie and her family’s relationships.

My second point for Briony being a good person, is that she realizes her mistake and then tries to make up for what she has done. Later on in the story Birony is now old and mature enough to see that she had messed up and feels very guilty about it. Throughout the novel she changes her life to make herself feel like she is helping other people. For example she was accepted to university and then changed her mind and became a nurse. I believe she picked this profession because she wants opportunities to help other people to lessen the feeling of guilt. She struggles with forgiveness and that itself represents the fact that she acknowledges that she has done wrong. No evil character would feel remorse or have a guilty conscious if they truly didn’t care about anyone accept them selves.

My third point for Briony actually having a heart, and not being as cold blooded as most see her to be is because she tried to redeem her self through her writing this story. "There was our crime-Lola's, Marshall's, mine-and from the second version onward, I set out to describe it. I've regarded it as my duty to disguise nothing-the names, the places, the exact circumstances-I put it all there as a matter of historical record" (McEwan 349) In this quotation she is expressing her feelings of extreme guilt and how she wants to tell the truth of the story through her perspective, this book. By telling the truth in this book she makes herself out as a character that most would hate but she does show she is a genuinely a good person because she confesses and shows real remorse.

Comment: @erin harper

I agree with Erin that Briony was to “young and naive” to be held labeled and held responsible for the rest of her life on her actions in part one. Briony was young and cared about her sister and tried to do the right thing, which ended in the exact opposite. I disagree with you saying that she doesn't want characters to forgive her. In my opinion I believe all she truly wants is forgiveness but it is far to late for that to ever happen, so she just accepts the fact. She doesn't wish to suffer but knows and feels that it wont happen and there is no way to now fix this depressing situation.



Empathy is necessary

Atonement is not a book that is meant to please the reader, and when it does give the reader some sort of satisfaction, it doesn’t forget to completely reverse this effect by the end of the book. Not only this, but all of the unfortunate events that occur throughout the novel are credited to one source: Briony. This makes it extremely easy to hate her from the very start of the novel, and this may be an irreversible feeling for some people. However, part of me feels as though we’re a little too harsh on her. When you take all of the circumstances into consideration, it’s easier to understand where she’s coming from. Briony made one mistake, when she was extremely young, and although it had detrimental effects on two people she cares about, she still tried to make up for it for the rest of her life.

For starters, she was only a simple child when she made the biggest mistake of her life. I think this fact, in conjunction with her good intentions, is something that is often overlooked by the reader. Kids do stupid things all the time, and there is no denying it. Their imaginations are wild, and sometimes it’s difficult for them to tell when they’re being irrational. This doesn’t necessarily justify what she did, but it is the first step towards explaining and understanding what happened. When Robbie asks Briony what caused her to realized that what she did was wrong, Briony replied by saying “Growing up” (McEwan, 323). Although Briony wrote this section of the book, and it didn’t “really happen”, she’s writing it honestly and it is what she would hypothetically say to Robbie if that situation were to occur.

Secondly, Briony was literally stuck in the past throughout her entire life because she couldn’t get over the terrible thing she had done. She made a mistake, but what magnified the effect of this mistake was the terrible impact it had on someone she looked up to and loved: Cecilia. The way Briony feels about Cecilia is heartwarming and saddening at the same time. Throughout the novel, she envies Cecilia, wants to protect her, and only speaks good of her. During the third section of the book, Briony describes Cecilia as having a “noldly sensual [face], with an accentuated bow of the full purplish lips. The eyes were dark and enlarged) (McEwan, 314). Briony also describes Cecilia and being “more beautiful than Briony remembered her” (McEwan, 314). This shows how highly Briony thinks of her sister.

It is evident that Briony only wants what is best for her sister and Lola, and it proves that her intentions were always pure when it came to those around her. She was only a 13 year old girl who was trying to protect her family. Good intentions, bad execution. This reminds me of a freaky Japanese horror film that I watched a long time ago. I don't remember the name, however the general plot-line was that a girl was trying to protect her twin sister from their mother because she thought the mother was trying to kill her. Turns out the girl is insane and hallucinated all of the bad things she thought her mother had done. She also hallucinated her sister’s existence because, in reality, the girl killed her sister a few years back. The girl cared a lot for her twin sister, just like Briony cares a lot for Cecilia. However, both the girl and Briony end up hurting the person that they care about.

The fact that Briony tried so hard to reach forgiveness is very admirable. It may not have been the best idea to practically spoil her entire life because she refuses to forgive herself, but nonetheless, it shows how much she cared about the mistake made. She also cares a lot for her sister and the rest of her family. The novel doesn't mention anything else that went terribly wrong in her life, so it seems as though Briony learned from her mistake, and lived a moderately humble life.


My reply to Louwyn’s response:

I completely agree with Louwyn, and especially with her introduction. I do also believe that we, as readers, are quick to nit-pick the faults of each character. This point is even more evident when it comes to characters that are shown in a bad light, as Briony tends to be. Her actions truly are far more understandable when one takes into account all of the circumstances. Louwyn also brought up the point that Briony was very young and innocent when she made the accusation, as I did in my post. Louwyn also examined the entire situation in a way that I believe every student should. If you go into the second half of the book already hating Briony, then your mindset will stop you from seeing the good qualities that she does possess. Briony is clearly not a despicable person, and she’s not evil because her intentions are good. Louwyn brought up a good point that I hadn’t thought of, and this was the fact that Briony is very passionate about her writing, and that in itself is admirable. She seeks atonement through her writing, which is sad and leaves the reader feeling sympathetic towards her. If Briony truly was a terrible person, it’d be impossible to feel sympathy for her.

Is Briony Likeable or Not? (Hayley Lisko)

In every single class discussion about Atonement, we only looked at the fact that Briony is selfish, rude and how none us of us like her. We always discussed the negatives about the things she did and never looked at the positive things that she had to offer. Instead of talking about the all the reasons why we should hate on her, let’s look at the reasons why we should like her.

To start off, the reason why this novel was written was to atone herself. It took Briony a very long time to write the novel because she was always trying to find a good way to fix the ending. She wanted to give her sister, Cecelia, and her sister’s lover, Robbie, the proper ending that they deserved. Towards the end of the book she writes “How can a novelist achieve atonement when, with her absolute power  of decoding outcomes, she is also God? There is no one, no entity or higher form that she can appeal to or be reconciled with, or that can forgive her” (McEwan, 350). Basically, Briony can seek atonement but it has to be granted by the one who has been wronged, is now dead and Briony is unable to atone herself. Also,if she cannot atone herself because they people who have been wronged have passed away, how will she get over all the things that she has done and what they had to go through.

Another piece of evidence from the text to prove that Briony wanted to give Cecelia and Robbie the ending would include this quotation. “So, my sister and Robbie were never able to have the time together they both so longed for... and deserved. Which ever since I've... ever since I've always felt I prevented. But what sense of hope or satisfaction could a reader derive from an ending like that? So in the book, I wanted to give Robbie and Cecilia what they lost out on in life. I'd like to think this isn't weakness or... evasion... but a final act of kindness. I gave them their happiness” (McEwan). \Briony even writes how she wished they had the ending that they deserved to have and she is trying to be seen as a kind person.

In addition to the reason why she wrote the book, Briony feels regret. “How guilt refined the methods of self-torture, threading the beads of detail into an eternal loop, a rosary to be fingered for a lifetime” (McEwan, 162). This quotation may be taken in a very deep meaning but it is supposed to mean exactly what the quotation says. When Briony was younger and she was growing up with her family, she committed an act which will last her entire life. She will never forget what happened the day she blamed Robbie for raping Lola because she knew he would not get away with it, and she will never forget how that destroyed her entire family and how they all split up. This will lead her to self-torture and it will stay with her for the rest of her life.

To wrap up, Briony was always discussed in class as a horrible person and how we hate her, but we never considered the few good things that she actually did to make her be considered a somewhat decent person. In the text there were 3 main sections that jumped out to myself and they are: first she wanted to give them a proper ending and one they deserved, second she wanted to be seen as a kind person and finally she feels regret after all of the acts she committed which ended up destroying her family and she has to live with it.

To comment on Heather’s Post...
I completely agree with her. The way she described Briony at the beginning of her blog is the exact same way I thought of Briony. “I found Briony to be self-centred, pretentious and show signs of sociopathic behaviour”. Personally, she is exactly the same as Hamlet (what a shock the book and play we read are similar)! I also agree on how Briony made a mistake when she was a child and that she is trying to redeem herself, but can she actually get redemption knowing that her entire family basically is now dead and she didn’t have the guts to apologize in person...

Briony also is making her seem like the villian even though she caused it for herself, which I completely agree on your point and majority of your blog post about Briony!

Innocent Until Proven Innocent (Louwyn Besa)

While reading Atonement, I had trouble understanding why everyone held such a negative opinion on Briony, as my thoughts on her for the majority of the book stayed relatively optimistic. I can’t help but empathize for her naive, child-like mindset. Therefore, I believe that there is one key factor that is rapidly overlooked; if one were to put themselves in her shoes, taking into account the time period, the different morals, and the setting, most of us would have probably done the exact same things she did. As readers, we are quick to nit-pick the faults of each character, and we easily dismiss any idea of what the individual's perception of the situation may be. Unfortunately, Briony’s fault just so happened to be her innocence.

An important factor we must understand at the beginning of the story is that Briony is still a child when she accuses Robbie for attacking Lola. We have learned that she has just acknowledged the existence of herself, and particularly during these early stages of life, she has not yet been completely educated about the repercussions of her own actions. Every normal human being makes mistakes throughout their entire life, especially during the key years of being a young adolescent. Besides, up to this point, Briony isn't even completely sure if it was Robbie or not who had attacked Lola, so it wasn't as if she was hiding the fact that she knew it was Paul the entire time. If anyone is to be blamed in this position, it should be Lola and Paul. And although her small mistake made much more of an impact on someone else’s life, we cannot ignore the fact that as children, owning up to your mistakes is never an easy thing to do. Briony most likely understands that what she is doing is wrong, but that does not mean she is going to do anything about it because she is undoubtedly afraid of getting in trouble. How many times can you say you confessed all your wrong doings when growing up?

           One must also take a step back and analyze the situation. Initially, Briony is only trying to help Lola to identify her attacker, not deliberately ruin anyone’s life. It wasn't as if she intentionally blames Robbie knowing that he was going to go to jail, fight in the war and eventually ruin what was left of her family. I think another one of her goal's was not only to try and protect Lola, but future victims that the attacker could have potentially targeted next. You could almost categorize her actions as heroic depending on how you perceive it, because from her point of view, she assumed that what she was doing was right.


In the first chapter, Briony's strong leadership personality portrays her as being full of herself. This characteristic is immediately distinguished by the reader as an unfavorable trait. As a result, for the remainder of the book, preconceived notion of Briony being this stereotypical full-of-herself character is formed. This manifestation makes the majority of readers instantly dislike her before any real development to her character is made, whether they are aware of it or not. If you think of it, Briony never once commits any acts consciously knowing that they will have negative effects on a specific person. She is always trying her hardest to help the people she loves. I find that calling Briony out on her immaturity is stating the obvious because evidently she’s going to be a little immature. She is after all, only thirteen. How much more do you expect from a thirteen year old girl growing up in the Victorian era with Victorian values? Later on in the book, when Briony is old enough to assess the situation and come to the realization that what she had done was wrong, it is already too late. She attempts to apologize to Robbie and Cee, but there is not much more she can do, because she isn't given any more options. The damage is already too far, too gone.

likable trait about Briony is that she is passionate about writing. Some can bring up the point that she is pretentious and self-centered about her writing, but as humans, when we’re told that we’re good at something, we pursue that interest and we praise ourselves and constantly want to be praised by others for it. You cannot blame Briony for being a little prideful for something she’s obviously very good at. She grew up writing, fueling that passion for the thing that she loved, throughout her adulthood and well into her old age. She used it as an outlet when she had nowhere else to turn, and became a successful author because of this talent. We can assume that Briony changes her values and continues to grow as a person throughout the years, but one thing that never faltered is her passion for the craft of writing. She even tries giving Robbie and Cee the ending they very much deserve through the only way she knows how, by writing about it. This leads me to believe that she is not seeking forgiveness from anyone when she releases the book, because the act she did is unforgivable and she is aware of that. People can interpret this as being a selfish way of going about things, but I honestly feel like Briony is just trying to get Robbie and Cee’s story out there for everyone to hear and give them the voice that the both of them were never given. “There was a crime. But there were also the lovers. Lovers and their happy ends have been on my mind all night long” (McEwan, 349). I think Briony has already given herself so much slack that in her opinion, this is the only way she can express how she feels about their lives, and their story.

I can relate Briony’s situation to a film called “Mud”. In this movie, two fourteen year old boys encounter a runaway murderer who is trying to avoid the police. In the time given, the boys have multiple opportunities to tell someone that they found the wanted man, but instead, they help him hide, which almost costs them their life countless times. They can be related to Briony in the sense that, as children, although they think they are doing the right thing, they are doing the completely opposite.
   
In the end, Briony really isn’t as bad of a person as everyone in the class made her out to be. She was passionate, compassionate and very intelligent. She was a kid who made mistakes just like we all have, and we have to learn to not be so quick to judge a person for their past. Something that we all don’t need more of is the affirmation of an error we’re already aware of.

In response to Alex’s post…
I agree with what you said in your third point about Briony being put into mature situations, especially when she was still in the process of trying to find herself. I think that these adult encounters mixed in with the fact that she was still technically in the mindset of a child, confused her to the point where she was unable to tell right from wrong. She was caught in some kind of limbo in between wanting so badly to grow up, but also still wanting to stay this innocent little girl. Although I agree with 90% of the points you made, I also have to disagree with the fact that you think she was handling the situation better than the adults were. I honestly think her true downfall was the fact that she was mainly stuck in the “act like a child” mentality, which ultimately, was keeping her back from doing actual commendable “adult things”. (Like tell the truth). 

Briony: More the Golem than Mordor by Casandra Barrett

Briony was not the evil monster a lot of us think she is. She was an ignorant, misguided girl that let her

cowardice hold her back from doing what was right. Was she a great person? No. She was a control freak,

she twisted and turned Robbie and Cecilia's fate in reality and in her story. However, her story is more of a

sad story than anything else. She knew Robbie and Cecilia wouldn't forgive her, and she couldn't even

forgive herself. She lived alone and died alone, and I can't hate her because I pity her so much more then I

dislike her for being a coward.

Proof:

            1) Briony wasn't an evil mastermind pulling the strings behind an elaborate revenge plan:

She was precocious and sexually uneducated, "... no one, not even her mother, had ever referred to the

existence of that part of her to which -- Briony was certain -- the word referred" (107) and she had literally

just become self-aware, "Was everyone else really as alive as she was?" (34). This idea of revenge was her

own portrayal of what Robbie might have thought of her, and not necessarily and definitely not absolutely

the truth, because it was Briony herself that wrote Robbie considering that her acts were for vengeance, we

know this because "Robbie Turner died of septicemia at Bray Dunes on 1 June 1940." (350). He couldn't

verifiably have thought these things if Briony was simply recreating his thoughts from her own imagination.

That she had acted maliciously as a child is unfounded because she genuinely didn't understand what she

was doing, just like she didn't understand the danger she put Robbie in by pretending to drown that day,

"'You went under the surface, I couldn't see you. My clothes were weighing me down. We could have

drowned, both of us.'" (218), but Briony did come to realize her mistake in blaming Robbie, "She was like a

bride-to-be who begins to feel her sickening qualms as the day approaches, and dares not speak her mind

because so many preparations have been made on her behalf." (150) Briony simply didn't have the have the

courage to go back on her word! " She did not think she had the courage, after all her initial certainty and

two or three days of patient, kindly interviewing, to withdraw her evidence." (159) Two or three days! It

took her a few days to realize that something was wrong, but she didn't want to be 'a silly girl who had

wasted everyone's time' (160). Instead, she deliberately carried through despite her doubts, knowing she

was 'never pressured or bullied' (160). Rather than be courageous, " She trapped herself, she marched into

the labyrinth of her own construction, and was too young, too awestruck, too keen to please, to insist on

making her own way back." (160).

So we know that she was just an ignorant young girl too afraid to go back on what she thought was the

truth, at the time. Briony didn't know anything about healthy sexuality, or sexuality at all. If she didn't

understand initially the effect of her accusations, and then grew to realize, how could it have possibly been a

malicious act from the start?

             2) While I love and dread equally thinking about existentialism, particularly the writing of Albert Camus,

existential thought doesn't really apply to Briony's accusation or her view if the world - because she never

lets go, which is what existentialism is all about:

She was a victorian girl through and through, prim, proper and ignorant to even the notion of sexuality. She's

naive about marriage: "Marriage was the thing, or rather, a wedding was, with its formal neatness of virtue

rewarded, the thrill of its pageantry and banqueting, and dizzy promise of lifelong uinion." (8). She wants to

control her family into what she views as right, for example Leon, "Her play was not for her cousins, it was

for her brother, to celebrate his return, to provoke his admiration and guide him away from his careless

succession of girlfriends, toward the right form of wife, the one who would persuade him to return to the

countryside" (4) She's truly a child in every sense of the word, desperate for the perfect ending she deems

fit. "She was one of those children possessed by a desire to have the world just so." (4). While I know

Roman specifically said that he grew fond of her near the end, this childish need for 'the promise of lifelong

union' never really leaves Briony's thoughts. In the end, she still made Robbie and Cecilia, "..still alive, still in

love, sitting side by side in the library" (350). She admits this to us in the end, saying, "The problem these

fifty-nine years has been this: how can a novelist achieve atonement when, with her absolute power of

deciding outcomes, she is also God?" (350). If Briony could have had it her own way she would have

chosen that ending as reality, the one in which Robbie and Cecilia were still alive to love. This isn't the truth,

and only she can make it true within her own mind and the mind's of others to atone for the fact that Robbie

and Cecilia "never met again, never fulfilled their love?" (350). Just like when she was a child, too afraid to

admit that she was the 'bride with cold feet'(150), she became "too old, too frightened, too much in love

with the shred of life I have remaining" (350). She asks us directly, "How could that constitute an ending?"

(350). She goes on to rationalize this "I like to think that it isn't weakness or evasion, but a final act of

kindness, a stand against oblivion and despair," (351) but I think it's more kindness to herself than to Robbie

and Cee who have already lived their horrible fate, with Robbie having died at war and Cecilia by a bomb

within the same year (350).

Going back to existentialism, Briony couldn't have been an existentialist, because like stated in Albert

Camus' The Stranger or L'Etranger, "It was as if that great rush of anger had washed me clean, emptied me

of hope, and, gazing up at the dark sky spangled with its signs and stars, for the first time, the first, I laid my

heart open to the benign indifference of the universe. To feel it so like myself, indeed, so brotherly, made me

realize that I'd been happy, and that I was happy still." I don't have a page but it was basically the second

last page, and was about him accepting his death by execution.  Existentialists accept.Existentialists look into

the dark void of the universe and accept it. Briony "took a stand against oblivion and despair," (350). She

never let go, she never forgave herself, and yet controlled her universe as "God" (350) until the very end.

                3) With her impending dementia, "The process will be slow, but my brain, my mind, is closing down. The

little failures of the memory that dog us all beyond a certain point will become more noticeable, more

debilitating, until the time will come when I won't notice them because I will have lost the ability to

comprehend anything at all" (334), all Briony can do now is look back at her life. Like I asserted in my first

points, Briony is a coward, and in my second,  Briony's need for control is what never allows her to let go. I

can't really dislike her in the end, because her life was more sad than anything else - a sad confused girl

grown into a sad lonely old woman, who's only liberation is that she will be able to forget her crimes.

So, was Briony admirable in any way? Maybe in that she deluded herself until the very end. Or that she

learned and lived the rest of her life trying to make up for her cowardice, but the reality is that she never did,

and never could. The day she felt the wrongness in the pit of her stomach and held her tongue was the day

she became irredeemable. When you know something, deep within and make the choice that you know is

the wrong one, it's too late. Does she deserve forgiveness? No. Pity? Probably. She definitely deserved to

be able to let go, but what damned her -- her stubborn cowardice -- is what never allowed her to set herself

free. I think that's profoundly sad.

The real blame here should be set on the adults in Briony's life that so neglected and yet coddled her.

Encouraging her writing but not teaching her right from wrong. Briony wasn't the only one at fault, the

parents in her life abandoned her almost of much as they abandoned Robbie by not defending him and by

not being there for her, which is why I blame them for what happened more than I blame Briony - a

forgotten child. I truly pity her.

Atonement for Briony?

Erica Kang

While I can’t exactly say I like Briony, she has a few admirable traits that people can relate to or identify with. For example, she continues to rewrite her life. How many of us would like to or have actually rewritten parts of our lives or something that we did in order to allow ourselves to live with, or make sound better. The point of this is, what is truth? Whose truth are we talking about, there is no actual truth, just perceptions of the truth. For example, “I never saw them that year. That my walk across London ended at the church on Clapham Common, and that a cowardly Briony limped back to the hospital, unable to confront her recently bereaved sister” (McEwan 350). Briony owns up to the fact that the story is a fabrication intended to make her look better. The effect of Briony’s narrative is to create layers of truths and untruths and this is what each of us do in our lives. This is closer to reality than the romantic or modern novel can achieve. This is why I feel people should relate to Briony’s character.
We can like Briony because we should be operating from the point of view of forgiveness, not condemnation. In the novel, no one ever gives Briony a second chance. A perfect example of this is when Briony says, ““I’m very very sorry. I’ve caused you such terrible distress.” They continued to stare at her, and she repeated herself. “I’m very sorry”” (McEwan 329). Robbie and Cecilia never acknowledge her apology, they simply stare at her. Cecilia even says, “I won’t ever forgive you” (McEwan 318). So Briony’s reward for her forgiveness is more alienation. Briony is then justified in continuing to rewrite her own story since it is demonstrated that she is completely alone. Almost no one likes to be alone all their lives. We can have sympathy for her and identify with her, making her a likeable character. We can forgive her especially because she asks for forgiveness multiple times even though she never really did tell anyone the truth. Everybody makes mistakes and they, like Briony, are deserving of many new chances. The readers can see themselves in Briony especially because they’ve been her age before. Briony can’t be expected to know everything, considering she’s only thirteen. At thirteen, she is just coming out of childhood, and has no working, real world experience. Her assumptions are likely to be naīve and not well informed. So, she is more likely to make mistakes as there is not one person in the world who has never made a mistake. It is really unfortunate that Briony always seems to have to pay for her mistakes and the readers can identify with that. Briony may not be completely likeable because she brings us closer to the truth about ourselves and that makes us uncomfortable. In addition, people always assume that what happens to Briony is her fault. For example when Lola is raped, Briony is not entirely convinced it was Robbie and has to state it out loud three times to convince herself it was him who she saw, and Lola knows it wasn’t Robbie but doesn’t say anything. We can sympathize with this because Lola is equally at fault but this never crosses anyone’s mind. Briony takes all the blame. Although this doesn’t make her likeable, we can empathize with her dilemma.
Lastly, as a character, it’s easy to admire her creative ability to convince others of circumstances. For example, once Lola was raped, everybody believes Briony’s accusation that Robbie is the rapist automatically. They believe her because she presents herself as the primary witness. It takes a lot of confidence for her to present her version of the evidence to the authorities because she’s having a hard time convincing herself of Robbie’s said crime. In addition, the reader can admire Briony because of her creative ability to continually rewrite her past in so many ways. This is admirable because it creates a novel within a novel within a novel and is a clever form of storytelling. To conclude, readers may not like Briony but ultimately may find that much about her is a reflection of themselves. Briony is naīve, as many of us still are, creative, manipulative, and very capable of recreating herself many times over.
RE: Roman (don’t hate me)
I think this comment took me longer to craft than the post itself and maybe I’m wrong, but I think you are confused about the post modern direction in the macro, and Briony as a sociopath in the micro. Let’s begin with the latter, Briony. I believe that Briony is likeable, or at least a “normal” person, just because….the post modern novel is reality. The modern novel is guilty of a romantic vision, where everyone walks off into the sunset and the ending is happy and the reader gets to enjoy the vision on an up note. Life is not generally like that; it often...sucks. Sometimes we are afforded a glimpse at happiness if we are lucky. All around us; third world countries lack food; pollution is wrecking our climate; our politicians are arguing and giving themselves raises, and we are under the belief that we “deserve” a good life. Briony is just a simple example of how the average human being rewrites their story every hour, every minute of every day. We spin everything. Politicians spin their political platforms. We choose every day not to believe we are killing our world. We choose every day to ignore third world problems. We choose every day to rephrase something about how we handled our day. Briony is likeable because she deconstructs and reconstructs her own life every day, and does it consciously….we should be so honest. Try living in a world where there is no belief in a happy ending. That is reality; Briony’s reality, our reality.
Now let’s take a look at the former: you claim that Briony is a sociopath. What if Briony is just….normal? Perhaps a little passive aggressive, but normal. The postmodern novel doesn’t pull any punches with decorating the characters with traits that aren’t really viable in the real world, and Briony has one of those characters. Unpolished, unbuffed, not fluffed up, she is a victim, she sees herself as a victim, and she is closer to a real life character because she is writing her own novel. She tells it like it is. We all make mistakes, each and every day. Most of us hide them, feel guilty about them, spin them into something else, or are just plain not conscious of them. That is what life is really like. Life is the postmodern novel.
Again, maybe I’m wrong, but I think you are a bit off regarding the direction and intent of the postmodern novel as a whole, and existentialism as an element. The intent of the postmodern novel is to shed light on our gothic and romantic, linear tradition and to stimulate people to think about our assumptions. We need to thank Briony because she causes us to question our assumptions. I’m not sure that you do, because you have not defined the function of the tools that you are quoting nor explained how they assist the positive portrayal of Briony. That is why I think you are confused about the purpose of the postmodern novel, and about the role of the character of Briony. Briony acts as a foil, a device by which we can gage our own consciousness or lack thereof and extent by which we are romanced by our era and society.